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Noticed at one casino, they have Super 8 race in denominations from a quarter to dollars. This game way back used to be attractive to me at other casinos. Casinos must not have liked them because they have been set as non-progressives everywhere almost. Pots used to get huge at places that didn't cap them, but that's besides the point.So this casino has been open almost two years and the pots on these games are still zero with a few being at most 200 credits. These machines are set to move one credit for every 36 coins played compared to the old standard of one for nine credits bet. There is still no way these machines have not gotten any play in so long and no way they've kept hitting. They have no printed rule about them being awarded automatically without the all fruit coming.
I just accounted for this discrepancy as either corruption, incompetence, negligence, etc. I asked about it once and was told maybe they've just all been hitting, and obviously, they know nothing of the game odds, so assumed incompetence. I don't know, maybe the techs reset these and nobody cares, because, no way in hell a minimum bet of 8 isn't having son failure along the way.
Every once in a while I'll check Ring em ups at another casino and noticed the same thing. Most machines tend to be at the reset, highest being 200 some coins. No mention of a pity award, without the all fruit coming, so what gives. These should be spread out with various ranges of values. They require 8 lines to be played as well to qualify for the jackpot. The numbers don't seem right even if people rarely play these games.
All Super 8 Races are definitely not created equal. Apparently there are many settings. Many! But adding 1 to the fruit bonus per 36 bet is standard, or 2.77%. Also, their hit frequency can and does differ. There are 64 'stops' on each reel. Changing the number of fruits from 23 to 22 makes a big difference.Here's an interesting difference. I play on some machines that will NOT award the fruit bonus if there are nine fruits during the turbo race. Other machines will. I remember the disappointment when I first hit nine fruits that didn't pay me squat. Well, it did pay like 320 or something, but did not crack the bank.
Hard to hit, almost impossible it would seem sometimes. At Mountaineer, the jackpots would keep incrementing until 9600, then freeze there without any rule allowing it. If I ever won one maxed, I would contest, but that never happened. I know people would play them at the maxed jackpot, lose $5000 betting the max coin of 8, then walk away empty handed. Whoever hit them finally would win $2400 for the progressive, and $100 for the fruit scatter.
Turning Stone had them as stand alones with 40 coin max in quarters and dollars and the pots got huge. Quarters I saw $12,000 jackpots and dollars, $40,000. Yes these games were fun and you could count on 100x+ a bonus. Get a few quickly and you were almost ahead $500 playing quarters. Never hit a pot here unfortunately. I would go there visiting family a few times a year, so had some opportunity.
Just happened to be sitting there when the casino had a tour with an expert talking I assumed was from IGT. Could have just been a saleswoman. Well she was basically complaining about the machines saying people would only play the bigger progressives leaving the others alone and play until they hit or had nice bonuses. Basically implying the money won was not kept within the casino often never lost back.
I thought to myself, she wants money played eternally with money shot wins impossible and that's what happened. These machines people played hundreds through were replaced with penny machines. I can't remember, probably 30 cent minimums.
Similar Ring 'em Ups to the second point, depending on the machine(thing cross shaped bells bonus) would get up to $100, often $50. At the second casino mentioned above, I never see them much over $10, and usually $5 at the reset. Can we really assume these machines are literally never played at all for these games? I find it hard to believe. Maybe I'll have to test them to see if one coin is paying them out even though the rules say you must play 8 lines. I've hit another game maker's ring 'em up this way, but their rules don't state you must bet 8. It's totally stupid winning $15, but it's a low cost time killer.
Otherwise, these progressives disappearing are a scandal if they're not being won and I doubt they are either casino. I have been told if the machines have any problems, they reset them and the progressive pots go to zero. Heard many stories of Mountaineer doing this, more specifically, the 'state'. You have to wonder if these casinos intentionally without problems keeping the returns down.
All Super 8 Races are definitely not created equal. Apparently there are many settings. Many! But adding 1 to the fruit bonus per 36 bet is standard, or 2.77%. Also, their hit frequency can and does differ. There are 64 'stops' on each reel. Changing the number of fruits from 23 to 22 makes a big difference.
Here's an interesting difference. I play on some machines that will NOT award the fruit bonus if there are nine fruits during the turbo race. Other machines will. I remember the disappointment when I first hit nine fruits that didn't pay me squat. Well, it did pay like 320 or something, but did not crack the bank.
Just remember, you can have the same probability of hitting nine fruit at two different casinos while at the same time there are more plums on one's reels and less Triple Bars on the other, affecting the base return. I have not seen or tested one that did not have 15 cars per reel, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Which would make the turbo race something like 1/330.
Ring'em Up, I won't play it unless it's at least 1000 coin bonus. I do find these rarely.
If you want to play the game with an edge, you really need to spend some time back-constructing the setup. Or get the par sheet for that particular version so you know what you're looking at.
By the way, if I crack nine fruits, I never leave it on the screen. I believe that thwarts people playing. I'll always spend a little bit to 'prime' it for others.
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Too bad Mickey is not here or I'm sure he would have something to say about these.
I'm sure he would too, I know he is very familiar with them. He's the most interesting person I think I've read on different boards. Very intelligent, very colorful.
At Turning Stone, had all but the last car and within that same bonus, had all but the last 7.
The cars are a breeze, maybe only 1/500000. But depending on the version nine 7s is probably over 1 in 40 million. There's usually more plums than 7s.
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I once saw a guy hit the all fruit 3x on the same machine. ;-)
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